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================================================================================ (C) 1987 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GEnie and hit RETURN. The system will prompt you for your information. ================================================================================ ********** Topic 74 Sat Oct 31, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 17:44 EST Sub: Dungeon Master Place to discuss DungeonMaster by Software Heaven (FTL). 317 message(s) total ********** ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 1 Sat Oct 31, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 17:46 EST Just wanted to let everyone know that a local (San Diego) mag interviewed the folks at FTL and they mention DungeonMaster in the article. According to Wayne at FTL it should be hitting the shelves in about a month. (Go easy on me! I am just reporting what I read!) Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 2 Sat Oct 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 18:37 EST I heard that rumor too....maybe by Christmas?? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 3 Sat Oct 31, 1987 BLUE-MAX at 18:54 EST Which Christmas?????? Whatever happened to OIDS which was supposed to be released "any day now by some of out illustrious RT sysops????? And no one dares ever mention RPV which was demoed in a beta version last January!!!!!!!!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 4 Sat Oct 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 19:33 EST Actually Oids was finished.....just was not good enough! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 5 Sun Nov 01, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 15:38 EST Ahem...OK...we can only communicate what we hear/are told! Since Darlah and I live in San Diego (the home of FTL) we sometime get some "inside" info. I am just reporting what I read in the Byte Buyer, a local bi-weekly mag. Mark One of the illustrious SysOps! (PLEASE..STArt another Topic for any discussion of OIDS! This is the DungeonMaster Topic! Thank You!) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 6 Sun Nov 01, 1987 J.M.MESA at 19:32 EST I have had this game on order from FTL FOR OVER A YEAR!!!!!! Don't believe anything you here from any representatives. I will believe this game is coming out when I see it for myself. As of this point in time it is of the greatest hoaxes I have ever seen! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 7 Mon Nov 02, 1987 C.SAGGAU at 22:07 PST Yes Sundog is still one of the best space adventure games for the ST, Yes Dungeonmaster is supposed to set a new standard in D&D type games, But FTL has no credibility with me, they have great excuses, but no credibility. I'll believe it when I see it. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 8 Fri Dec 11, 1987 C.GEEROMS at 22:37 EST FYI ONLY. I bought OIDS yesterday and in the packaging is an FTL newsletter showing a Dungeonmaster screen, describing its features, and chats with the author. Credibility, I admit is way low. This has to be the longest promised game for the ST that comes to my mind. Still, I am keeping the faith. I think it will be out before Christmas. It's fine with me that they spent another year perfecting it. The last thing the ST needs is another half *ssed, half finished game. One need only read the comments from this game category on Genie to see the miles of disappointments because the software company rushed their product to market. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 9 Sat Dec 12, 1987 JEFFWILLIAMS [Jeff W.] at 08:41 CST Our store's salesman at CSS tells us they are expecting to recieve DUNGEONMASTER next week. If this ends up being true, then you can expect to start seeing it in stores in a week or two. If it turns out to be wrong....well, we've been disappointed before... My fingers are crossed. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 10 Sat Dec 12, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 14:07 EST I predict that we ALL will be saying that it was worth the wait! <grin> (A little bird just told me! <double grin>) Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 11 Sun Dec 13, 1987 J.BOCKLAGE at 19:13 EST Does anyone have any info supporting the statement that it will be out? Such as, did anyone call FTL to find out?? Joe ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 12 Sun Dec 13, 1987 JEFFWILLIAMS [Jeff W.] at 22:43 CST Our distributor (CSS) said they expect it to arrive this upcoming week. It's likely that FTL told CSS that they would be shipping it on that timeframe, but you never know with second-hand information. Calling FTL to find out, if one is that interested, is an excellent idea, Joe. Let us know what you find out. <smile> ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 13 Mon Dec 14, 1987 COREY [COREY.COLE] at 03:08 PST One of the local stores ordered Dungeonmaster and Oids, having been told both were available. Only Oids arrived, along with a note saying something about "shipping delays" (probably a fancy name for last-minute bugs being discovered). Sounds like it's definitely close (but I wouldn't give odds on DM making it here in time for Christmas). ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 14 Mon Dec 14, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 11:52 EST FLASH!!!!! Latest WORD on DungeonMaster!!!!!! A local San Diego dealer was surprised to see one of the guys from FTL show up at his doorstep with a *FINISHED* DungeonMaster in his hands! Seems FTL wanted to "check it out" on a Mega before shipping. FTL rep said that the boxes are ready, the manuals are ready, EVERYTHING is ready. Should be IN store sometime this week! Of course, this is just a rumor! :-) Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 15 Tue Dec 15, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 01:48 EST IT'S TRUE! our disributor got DungeonMaster in TODAY, MONDAY, 12/14/87 and we will have 4 copies at Interface, Norfolk, VA on Wednesday. No rumor here, guys, fact. I want to know how many disks its on. 1 or 2 SS disks and I'm skeptical. I don't know. Anyone know anything more? Will leave impressions on Wednesday. Price, retail 39.95. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 16 Tue Dec 15, 1987 C.GEEROMS at 20:53 EST A friend of mine left a message at home that this game, which he has had on standing order with FTL for over a YEAR, said he actually received the game today. Yes, in it's actual physical own self!! The local dealer expects them in his store by tomorrow. I'll keep everyone posted. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 17 Wed Dec 16, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 16:48 EST Yes Virginia, there really is a DungeonMaster! Stopped in a local dealer around 6:00PM last night. This is the same dealer that was the Mega "test site" for the beta DungeonMaster. FTL decided to pay the dealership back by selling him two cases of DungeonMaster at a special price. They received the two cases (48 copies) at 4:00PM and only had 7 left at 6:00PM! The dealership owner's comments were, "I've NEVER seen such excitement over a game before". They had a Mega set up running the game and plan on leaving it that way thru XMAS. (Yes, they have more copies coming today!) Four copies sold in the 10 minutes I was in the store..one of which went to your's truly! So.....was it worth the wait? You bet your bippy it was! Played it for 2 hours last night and plan on playing it some more one I get off line here. What do I like about it? The graphics are excellent. The sounds are digitized sounds (like the sound of an opening door..or iron gate!) The user interface is very easy to learn and use. You can play from the keyboard if you wish. It starts off "easy" and gets progressively more difficult. You really get the "feel" that you are venturing down into a deep dark dungeon. What don't I like about it? Just one thing (at least so far)...it is copy protected! Not even the "latest" back-up programs will phase it! FTL does offer a back-up disk for $10.00 though. Would be nice to be able to run it from my hard drive but it really isn't necessary. FTL did and excellent job of loading LARGE amounts of data at a time so the disk access' are in-frequent. (But when it DOES go to the disk... it takes some time.) Oh yeah, for those that may have been "living" in a dungeon and have never seen the demo of DungeonMaster, the object of the game is pick different "champions" to venture into the Dungeon Maze of your old "master" and recover the Firestaff. Many "evil" things await you and you must be careful where you turn. There are puzzles to solve, magical spells to be cast and objects (such as keys...LOTS of keys) to be found and returned to their rightful places. I'm certainly "hooked". Now I hope Santa DOESN'T bring me Star Trek for XMAS...I won't have time enough for both! Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 18 Wed Dec 16, 1987 M.HAND at 23:51 EST Folks: I've just spent several hours in the catacombs of Dungeon Master...... Run! (Don't walk!) to your dealer and plunk down your cash...it's the best- implemented RPG (Role Playing Game) I've seen! It even puts Bard's Tale to shame! FTL took their time, but came up with an EXCELLENT piece of gameware. I must agree completely with STACE....I never got to Star Trek tonight, I spent too long in DM! I hope that we'll start seeing more ST-ware of this quality... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 19 Wed Dec 16, 1987 C.CUNANAN at 23:12 PST I'll add my two bits worth...This will be the game of the year!! If anyone is in S. Cal and can't find a copy, stop by Warners in San Diego...they have lots of copies and they are going fast! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 20 Thu Dec 17, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 21:31 EST First of all I am in no way affiliated with FTL. I am a user and game player just like everyone else, and have awaited DungeonMaster for 2 years. I was very skeptical when DungeonMaster arrived on 1 single sided disk. I mean, the 30 second demo itself took up a whole disk and didn't even have a game on it! I eventually realized what had happened. DungeonMaster takes an incredibly long time to boot, either they are using some massive data compression techniques or recognize a 1 meg computer and load alot of data into the computer on bootup, or both. I'm still not sure. But I do know that DungeonMaster is packed with incredible animated, working graphics and DIGITIZED sound. I have seen games on 3 disks without as much flexibility or playability. Everything in the 3D maze works. Levers, buttons, switches, traps, all work by moving the hand icon and pressing the button. Usually there is a satisfying digitized sound accompanying the action. Wonderful!! Switching objects and using objects among the characters is easy and very intuitive. To eat something, move the food to the mouth icon, then click the button...this is accompanied by the mouth chewing and a digitized gulping noise. When you throw and object, like a dart, the dart moves through the space and you hear what happens. 3 Dimensional monsters attack with fluid movements (and again digitized sound effects.) Torches get dimmer over time, and the effects are noticible. While moving away from an object that's making a noise, the noise gets dimmer. These are examples of the incredible detail that's put into the progrm. Every step is very careful and very absorbing. THe game is role-playing with weapons, a magic system (very different from normal, I don't understand it yet), mystery items, up to 4 characters, and beautiful graphics. I can see they haven't been lounging around for 2 years. They've been designing the most incredible gaming experience I've seen on any computer so far. One thing I'm concerned about is that this game seems very easy. I've gone pretty far without hardly even sweating. Well I must say it FEELS like "pretty far" but there may be alot more ahead. I don't know. EOF ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 21 Thu Dec 17, 1987 M.HAND at 22:22 EST HTCOLONNA--- Yes, they are using some incredible data compression techniques.... it's truly amazing that the routines can squish & unsquish enough data fast enough for digitized sound and animation! What I like most is the minimal amount of disk access after the initial load...unlike Bard's Tale. (P.S.- If I seem to compare DM and BT alot, it's simply because I used to feel that BT was the State of the Art, until DM came along!) Take Care! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 22 Thu Dec 17, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 22:56 EST Jesus Christ Almighty!! I just spend 2 hours with this thing. I forgot I was playing a game. I was deep down inside some dungeon somewhere fighting all these creatures and not knowing what to expect. This thing is incredible. BUY IT. If you know how hard I am on software, this is state of the art to the max. BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT. There are a few things I don't like. Would someone make some comments on these? 1-the magic system hs me pretty confused. Is it supposed to leave me confused and just experiment? I do have 1 very basic spell working. And that's the light spell. 2-there's too much food around this place. I eat better in DungeonMaster than I do in real life. That's disappointing because it means that this part of the game isn't challenging. (Worrying about food). And my characters are all fat and content. 3-I get really confused between the orders of characters. First you've got the order of the characters across the top of the screen fronm right to left, and this is the order of the characters as you picked them in the Hall of champions. Then you've got 1 of those characters who is the leader (and whose hand you are controlling). Then you've got a combat order in the upper right hand of the screen. Then you've got the spell casting order with the spell menu. Finally you have the weapons order with the list of weapons. And you know what's so bad about all of this? All those 'orders' can be mixed up while playing for awhile - every one of those different "orderings" can have a different sequence. VERY confusing. At least there's 4 characters. If there were 8 it would be really hair pulling/ Am I missing someting here?? This is my biggest frustration. But learning this great game and playing it are worth it...this is a minor flaw in the ointment compared to the rest of the game. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 23 Thu Dec 17, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 23:14 EST Henry, Save your food! You will need it! To paraphrase one of the guys from FTL, "You can play for hours and hours... actually forgeting that you are just playing a game and, just when you think you found that "final" key or solved that tough puzzle, you will discover a whole new "area" to explore!" I too am still a little confused about casting spells and the order. The key, obviously, to virtually all spells are the scrolls (and the "novelette" at the beginning of the manual). Regarding the attacking order, just remember to move your champion's postition (upper right hand corner) so that your stronger champions are at the front. Keep trach of which champion is the leader. Don't try to do any kind of attack action with a champion that is in the rear of the group. Have you gotten to the room with 9 different "trap-doors" that have to be stepped on in a certain order in order to get out? :-) It is shortly after *that* room that I got attacked (and wiped out) by a throng of mummys! Love this game! Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 24 Thu Dec 17, 1987 P.DRABIK at 23:36 EST By your last comment Mark, I can see that there truly is randomness in the encounters. I saw no throng of mummys after that room. I did meet four shrieker, squeekers or whatever they were called. (delicious) I ran out of light and havn't figured out the light spell part. I have wondered about all the hooks on the walls. Any useful purpose? Bright torches make for a much easier time of seeing, but that seems to be a serious problem in maintaining them. Oh well, we'll figure it out. This game has the power to cause obsession. Beware! As a last experiment, I tried leaving out the main entrance. But the door was solid. Kicking and banging on the door was entertaining, but fruitless... Also, great effect when a person is fleshed back to life. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 25 Fri Dec 18, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 00:06 EST The light spell is easy, Drabik. Use the least amount of power you have to use at first, and THEN use the syllable that has to do with things related to light...I don't think the manual says "light" but mentions something that gives off light. With those 2 syallables you'll cast a real weak light spelll..but you can cast several of them. I'll swap you hint for hint. How do you use a scroll? You're obviously using a scroll found in the altar...and there are scrolls with spells on them, how do you invoke them?? STACE, oh I'm having a great time, no doubt...but haven't run across anything really difficult yet. Stepping on 9 stones was neat, but certainly no real "puzzle". I'm not saying that I'm not having a good time, because this is fantastic, but it's lacking a little SO FAR (I must qualify I'm just starting) in difficult and challenging use of the intellect. It seems to be more graphic flash and fun. Which is fine - just an observation. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 26 Thu Dec 17, 1987 J.CURTICE at 23:09 PST I just got this game today, and I think it is incredible. They paid great attention to details. When I was first p[laying it, and had already lost my two fighters, I was just fooling around trying to trap some mummies o outside of a gate so I could do a little more exploring, well I was a little slow in pressing the button and the mummies walked right under the gate. s you may have guessed the gate came crashing down and crushed one of them. Also sometimes when you trow a trowing star or knife and it doesn't kill them, it sticks in them (but you don't see it) and after you do kill the monster, you hear the digitized klank of the weapon falling to the floor. RReally nice! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 27 Thu Dec 17, 1987 B.A.POPE at 23:11 PST Here's some of my comments on this excellent game. As far as I can tell, there is no order to anything except marching. In a fight, it's just as much and as many as you can unleash. And this real time fighting is great! Just like being there...you wait and you die. The food is very abundant on level one, but it takes a drastic dive on elevel two. I thought it was pretty easy also, just wait. The only way those ugly blue monsters seem to die is by using something other than my own magic or weapons. I also haven't found a fountain on level two yet. Has anybody figured out any uses for some of the stuff you find, or is it just extra baggage? I found a mirror of dawn, but it doesn't register anything in the action hand. (vampire repellent maybe?) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 28 Fri Dec 18, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 18:10 EST Do I have any volunteers to go to work for me for the next two or three days so that I can find some time to "really" get into Dungeon Master? hehe ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 29 Fri Dec 18, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 18:42 EST Ha Ha....its a sysops job to know the product. Go for it DungeonMASTER! --------->Smile ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 30 Fri Dec 18, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 22:01 EST Let me friendly remind people NOT to give explicit clues here! I don't want my game to be ruined by someone telling something I want to discover myself! Please be very careful, for my sake and others, OK? I spoke toooooo soon. Level 1 is easy. Level 2 is a *&$%&*(%*(#. This is really some game. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 31 Fri Dec 18, 1987 C.W.ARTADI at 22:12 EST I can"t buy this game because my wife is getting it for me for xmas. I think I'll bug out waiting for it. AAAARRRRGHHHH!!!!!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 32 Fri Dec 18, 1987 J.CURTICE at 19:19 PST Has anyone found a way to get past those open pits with no way to close them up? I have gotten to the part with I believe six gates which you can chose from and I have gone through all of them except two because I am stopped by pits. I assume it involves magic, but I can't tell, and I definately don't have a clue on what it involves. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 33 Fri Dec 18, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 23:15 EST CURTICE - think about what causes the pits to open. They are not always open - something CAUSES them to open. You can simulate was causes them to open, and what causes them to close....... Another hint for everyone - what appears dangerous to you and your characters (and is bad and dangerous for them) can also be bad and dangerous for monsters! What causes damage and strange, hurtful things to happen to you can do the same to monsters. This hint will help out! I promise! By the way I'm still struggling with level 2...me and my big mouth. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 34 Sat Dec 19, 1987 C.SAGGAU at 00:11 PST Any ideas on how to wipe out those blue meanie things? And have you run i D A D C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C into that horrible slimy red pile? It is kind of a surprise. I get the fe A C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C feeling that there is more to this game than we know. Anybody figure out that force field with the chest on the other side? Lets keep the clues cryptic and vague. How about the door with the "None Shall Pass" warning? I'm going to be up till the wee hours on this one! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 35 Sat Dec 19, 1987 J.M.MESA at 10:00 EST Here is a very interesting little action I stumbled upon the other day (I have had the game for over a week!-- I ordered it over a year and a half ago direct from FTL, and to their credit they airmailed a copy to me) if you can't seem to hack it out with a particular set of monsters try to lure them under a gate with an opening/closing switch and when they get under it, slam on that button. The results are quite effective. The only drawback is that you don't get any experience from this type of killing. How about some of you guys/gals give us what four characters compose your party and their current levels(just one of the thousands of things I love about this game). BUY THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 36 Sat Dec 19, 1987 J.CURTICE at 14:32 PST Thanks for the help HT, but it turns out that I figured it out on my own. It was foolish of me to think that just because I couldn't see the pressure plates, they didn't exist. I've gotten two levels below that and every level seems to have new, meaner monsters. I found an easy way to kill those purple worms, well not easy, but if you just move around in a circle, hitting and then moving, hitting and moving, they won't be able to touch oyou and you can kill them with little dammage to yourself. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 37 Sat Dec 19, 1987 B.MORAVEK [Brad] at 19:26 MST Yepper, this is the game to beat all games, at least until I wear out both of by disk drives. Nice play, whished that they had changes a few of the sounds. I have had this program just over three hours, jumped on Genie or a hit or two <wink> to get me rolling. I think I will wright a small clip for Telatalk sometime this week. This program is that good. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 38 Sun Dec 20, 1987 COREY [COREY.COLE] at 03:04 PST Well, I'm getting DM for Solstice (picked it out myself), but I'm not allowed to even open it until next week. That's what happens when your wife is also your boss! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 39 Sun Dec 20, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 12:37 EST I know so much about this game I'm starting over. WANT A TIP? Leave trails objects (not valuable) so you know how to get bck to the surface. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 40 Sun Dec 20, 1987 M.SCHWIER [HANGMAN] at 20:05 EST GOT DM ON FRI AND BEEN PLAYING IT SINCE. FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE DOOR WHERE NONE SHALL PASS GET MAD AT IT. SOME TRIPS MUST BE HELD DOWN IN ORDER TO WORK. TO WORK MAGIC READ THE SCROLLS AND MATCH WORDS WITH TABLE ON PAGE 26 OF THE BOOK WELL HAVE LOST TWO SET OF CHAMPIONS AND I MUST GO OFF TO WATCH OVER THE THIRD BEFORE THEY ARE KILL ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 41 Sun Dec 20, 1987 B.A.POPE at 21:36 PST Has anyone figured out how to get past the first iron gate on level 3? It has a little tiny pressure plate that you can't put anything on. only the party seems to activate it. I've been stuck here for 2 days and it's driving me nuts. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 42 Mon Dec 21, 1987 CGEE at 01:09 EST Yes, the iron gate with some nasty types beyond it. I'm stumped. Also, way back on level 2, I still haven't figured out the "Cast Your Might" Can somebody leave me Email on a direct answer to the 2nd one? thanx...... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 43 Mon Dec 21, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 21:03 EST The iron gate - YES I figured it out. Examine the walls next to the pressure plates. You will have to move very fast. CGEE - Email coming. PS My first hint is in reference to Mr. Popes message on the first iron gate in level 3. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 44 Mon Dec 21, 1987 HTCOLONNA at 22:47 EST Please help me with purple worms. EMAIL if necessary. I think my problem is that I reincarnated ALL of my characters - no one is of high enough level. The most I get is about 20 points a shot with a novice fighter and axe - and she dies before I kill even 1 worm, much less 4. This depresses me. My character is a beautiful black woman scantily clothed. I have had a hard time putting more clothes on her than her little bra that she wears while fighting others. I think she's having an affair with the main character in my game, Heinrich, and he gets sad and lonely when she dies by these purple worms. Please help! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 45 Mon Dec 21, 1987 J.CURTICE at 21:57 PST HT, the best way to get the worms is to move in circles. Hit them and then move to the left and turn right. They will move in front of you, and then you can hit them again. If you do it long enough, you will kill them. It will take awhile but you will come out relatively unhurt.... I found the Firestaff not too long ago, but alas I'm short one RA key. According ot one of the scrolls, I will have to go down another level to find it. The staff is around the sixth or seventh level (I haven't been counting). The previous levels are pretty hard. If you think the worms are hard, wait until you reach the flying snakes!!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 46 Tue Dec 22, 1987 TOMAS [Simutronics] at 13:39 EST This is all new to me. Will someone PLEASE tell me how to effectly use the scrolls found in the dungeon? I seem to have tried every character and every way I can think of with no luck. Thanks!!!! -- Tom ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 47 Tue Dec 22, 1987 STACE [RT SysOp] at 19:18 EST As a reminder, I would like to say...PLEASE leave specfic hints and clues in E- Mail to those that ask. Let's not spoil it for those that don't wish the help. Mark ----------